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Salut,

 

J'ai remarqué l'autre jour du cliquetis sur ma voiture en faisant un log ds le groupe de mesures 20. Cependant je n'ai aucun défault qui ressort et on ne l'entends pas non plus. Ca se produit uniquement en charge mais de manière plutôt aléatoire.

Je viens de refaire une vidange en pensant que ça pouvait venir de l'huile mais aucun changement <_< .

Mes bougies ont 35000kms et les bobines sont stock.

 

Voici le log (un avant vidange et un après):

 

Monday 24 May 2010 18:27:03

8N0 906 018 1.8L R4 5VT 0003

 

Group A: '020 Group B: Not Running Group C: Not Running

Cyl #1 Cyl #2 Cyl #3 Cyl #4

TIME TIME TIME

MARKER STAMP CF CF CF CF STAMP STAMP

0.00 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

0.38 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

0.78 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

1.18 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

1.58 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

2.00 3.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

2.48 3.0 3.0 4.5 3.0

2.88 3.0 3.0 4.5 3.0

3.28 3.0 3.0 4.5 3.0

3.68 2.3 3.0 4.5 3.0

4.08 2.3 3.0 3.8 2.3

4.49 2.3 2.3 3.8 2.3

4.89 2.3 2.3 3.8 2.3

5.39 2.3 2.3 3.8 2.3

5.79 1.5 5.3 3.8 5.3

6.19 1.5 5.3 3.0 5.3

6.59 1.5 5.3 3.0 5.3

6.99 1.5 5.3 3.0 5.3

7.39 1.5 5.3 3.0 5.3

7.79 3.8 4.5 3.0 4.5

8.19 3.8 4.5 3.0 4.5

8.59 3.8 4.5 2.3 4.5

8.99 3.8 4.5 2.3 4.5

9.39 3.8 4.5 2.3 4.5

9.79 3.8 4.5 2.3 4.5

10.17 3.0 3.8 2.3 3.8

10.57 3.0 3.8 1.5 3.8

10.99 3.0 3.8 1.5 3.8

11.39 3.0 3.8 1.5 3.8

11.77 3.0 3.8 1.5 3.8

12.17 3.0 3.8 1.5 3.8

12.59 2.3 3.0 1.5 3.0

12.99 2.3 3.0 1.5 3.0

13.39 2.3 3.0 0.8 3.0

13.79 2.3 3.0 0.8 3.0

14.19 2.3 3.0 0.8 3.0

14.59 2.3 3.0 0.8 3.0

14.99 1.5 2.3 0.8 2.3

15.39 1.5 2.3 0.8 2.3

15.79 1.5 2.3 0.0 2.3

16.19 1.5 2.3 0.0 2.3

16.59 1.5 2.3 0.0 2.3

16.99 1.5 2.3 0.0 2.3

17.48 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

17.88 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

18.28 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

18.68 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

19.08 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

19.47 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

19.88 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

20.28 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

42.17 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

42.68 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

43.08 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

43.48 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

43.86 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

44.28 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

44.66 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

45.06 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

45.46 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

45.86 0.0 0.0 0.0 3.0

46.26 0.0 0.0 0.0 3.0

46.66 0.0 0.0 0.0 3.0

47.06 0.0 0.0 0.0 3.0

47.46 0.0 0.0 0.0 3.0

47.86 0.0 0.0 0.0 3.0

48.26 0.0 0.0 0.0 2.3

48.66 0.0 0.0 0.0 2.3

49.16 0.0 0.0 0.0 2.3

49.57 0.0 0.0 0.0 2.3

50.07 0.0 0.0 0.0 2.3

50.47 0.0 0.0 0.0 2.3

50.87 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.5

51.27 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

51.67 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

52.15 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

52.55 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

52.95 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

53.35 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

53.77 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

Friday,25,June,2010,20:15:53

8N0 906 018 ,,1.8L R4 5VT 0003,

 

,Group A:,'020,,,,Group B:, Not Running,,,,Group C:, Not Running

,,Cyl #1,Cyl #2,Cyl #3,Cyl #4,,,,,,,,,,

,TIME,,,,,TIME,,,,,TIME,,,,

MARKER,STAMP, CF, CF, CF, CF,STAMP,,,,,STAMP,,,,

,0.53,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,0.93,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1.33,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1.73,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,2.13,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,2.53,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,2.93,0.0,0.0,0.8,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,3.32,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,3.72,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,4.12,0.8,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,4.53,0.0,0.8,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,4.93,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,5.43,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,5.92,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,6.34,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,6.84,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,7.24,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,7.73,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,8.23,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,8.63,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,9.03,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,9.52,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,9.92,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,10.32,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,10.72,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,11.12,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,11.52,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,11.92,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,12.44,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,12.93,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,13.33,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,13.73,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,14.13,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,14.53,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,14.93,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,15.33,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,15.73,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,16.23,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,16.63,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,17.01,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,17.43,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,17.83,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,18.32,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,18.72,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,19.12,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,19.52,0.0,3.0,3.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,19.92,0.0,3.0,3.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,20.32,0.0,3.0,3.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,20.72,0.0,3.0,3.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,21.12,0.0,3.0,3.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,21.52,0.0,3.0,3.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,21.92,0.0,3.0,3.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,22.32,0.0,2.3,3.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,22.72,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,23.12,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,23.52,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,23.92,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,24.42,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,24.82,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,25.22,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,25.62,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,26.02,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,26.42,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,26.82,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,27.33,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,27.73,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,28.21,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,28.61,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,29.02,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,29.42,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,29.92,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,30.32,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,30.70,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,31.12,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,31.52,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,32.02,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,32.42,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,32.82,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,33.22,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,33.62,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,34.02,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,34.42,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,34.82,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,35.22,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,35.62,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,36.02,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,36.40,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,116.37,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,116.77,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,117.15,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,117.55,0.0,3.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,117.95,0.0,3.0,0.0,3.0,,,,,,,,,,

,118.35,0.0,3.0,0.0,3.0,,,,,,,,,,

,118.77,0.0,3.0,0.0,3.0,,,,,,,,,,

,119.17,0.0,3.0,0.0,3.0,,,,,,,,,,

,119.67,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,120.18,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,130.37,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,130.86,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,131.26,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,131.76,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,132.16,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,132.56,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,132.96,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,133.36,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,133.76,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,134.16,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,134.56,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,134.96,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,135.36,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,135.76,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,136.16,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,136.56,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,136.94,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,137.34,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,137.74,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,138.14,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,138.54,3.0,0.0,3.0,3.0,,,,,,,,,,

,138.94,3.0,0.0,3.0,3.0,,,,,,,,,,

,139.36,3.0,0.0,3.0,3.0,,,,,,,,,,

,139.85,3.0,0.0,3.0,3.0,,,,,,,,,,

,140.25,3.0,3.0,3.0,3.0,,,,,,,,,,

,140.65,2.3,3.0,2.3,2.3,,,,,,,,,,

,141.15,2.3,3.0,2.3,2.3,,,,,,,,,,

,141.55,2.3,3.0,2.3,2.3,,,,,,,,,,

,141.95,2.3,3.0,2.3,2.3,,,,,,,,,,

,142.35,2.3,2.3,2.3,2.3,,,,,,,,,,

,167.64,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,178.12,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,178.52,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,178.92,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,179.34,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,179.74,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,180.14,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,180.52,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,180.92,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,181.43,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,181.83,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,182.23,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,182.63,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,183.03,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,567.91,2.3,0.0,1.5,1.5,,,,,,,,,,

,568.31,2.3,0.0,1.5,1.5,,,,,,,,,,

,568.81,1.5,0.0,0.8,1.5,,,,,,,,,,

,569.21,1.5,0.0,0.8,1.5,,,,,,,,,,

,569.70,1.5,3.0,0.8,0.8,,,,,,,,,,

,570.10,1.5,3.0,0.8,0.8,,,,,,,,,,

,570.52,1.5,3.0,0.8,0.8,,,,,,,,,,

,570.92,0.8,3.0,0.0,0.8,,,,,,,,,,

,571.41,0.8,3.0,0.0,0.8,,,,,,,,,,

,571.81,0.8,2.3,3.0,0.8,,,,,,,,,,

,572.21,0.8,2.3,3.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,572.61,0.8,2.3,3.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,573.01,0.8,2.3,3.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,573.41,0.0,2.3,3.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,896.72,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,897.12,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,897.52,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,897.92,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,898.34,0.0,3.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,898.82,0.0,3.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,899.33,0.0,3.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,899.73,0.0,3.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,900.13,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,900.53,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,900.93,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1091.92,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1092.30,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1092.72,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1093.12,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1093.50,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1093.92,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1094.32,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1094.72,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1095.12,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1095.50,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1095.90,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1096.30,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1096.72,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1097.12,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1097.52,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1098.01,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1098.41,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1098.81,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1099.21,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1099.61,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1100.01,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1100.41,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1100.81,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1101.21,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1101.61,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1102.01,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1102.40,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1102.81,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1103.21,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1103.60,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1104.00,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1151.10,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1151.57,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1152.09,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1152.49,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1152.89,0.0,0.0,0.0,3.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1153.38,0.0,0.0,0.0,3.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1153.78,0.0,0.0,0.0,3.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1154.18,0.0,3.0,3.0,3.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1154.58,0.0,3.0,3.0,3.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1154.98,0.0,3.0,3.0,2.3,,,,,,,,,,

,1155.38,0.0,3.0,3.0,2.3,,,,,,,,,,

,1155.88,0.0,3.0,3.0,2.3,,,,,,,,,,

,1156.29,3.0,2.3,2.3,2.3,,,,,,,,,,

,1156.79,3.0,2.3,2.3,2.3,,,,,,,,,,

,1157.27,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1157.67,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1158.08,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1158.58,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1158.98,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1159.38,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1159.78,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1160.18,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1160.58,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1160.98,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1161.38,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1161.78,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1162.18,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1162.58,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1162.98,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1163.38,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1163.76,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1164.16,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1164.56,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1164.96,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

,1165.36,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,,,,,,,,,,

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Dan c' est tous les 30 000km les bougies à changer.

Posté(e)

Non c'est tout les 60000km :bigthumbup:

Posté(e)

Oula faut pas tout mélanger, si t'avais remarqué du cliquetis ton moteur s'en souviendrai.

Le log que tu as fait, celui du CF, correction factor, n'est là qu'à titre préventif du cliquetis.

Bien entendu le jour où tu auras vraiment du cliquetis tu auras tous les coeff au taquet et le moteur

sera surtout bridé puisque c'est le knock sensor qui détecte le cliquetis. Le cf lui n'est là que pour

prévenir l'auto allumage qui n'aboutit que dans de rare cas a du cliquetis. Ne pas confondre la cause

et l'éventuelle conséquence. Apres le fait de voir apparaitre de la correction alors qu'il n'y en avait

pas peut venir de pls chose, la temperature d'admission qui a tendance a augmentée c'est jour si peut

faire apparaître ce genre de chose. Refait un log dans la nuit avec des temperatures plus fraiche pour

voir, ca peut permettre d'orienter vers certaines choses.

Posté(e)

Ah d'accord merci pour les infos :bien: . Alors j'ai fait le 2éme log de nuit.

 

Il se trouve aussi que j'ai une reprog oettinger avec pression turbo assez faible (1,2b max). Il se peut que ça soit du à la reprog. Je n'avais jamais fait de log avant à ce niveau la donc impossible de savoir quand c'est apparu.

 

En tout cas ça me rassure qu'il n'y est pas de cliquetis :) .

Posté(e)

pour ta reprog la pression du turbo ne joue pas sur le cliquetis,c'est essentielement l'avance de l'allumage qui risque de t'en donner,mais ne tkt pas sur un 1l8t sa s'entendrai ;)

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Oui justement pour la reprog étant donné qu'ils jouent très peu sur la pression turbo ils doivent plutôt jouer sur l'avance à l'allumage.

 

Est-ce que quelqu'un du forum qui a une reprog oettinger peut faire un log pour voir si c'est pareil ?

 

:coucou:

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Non c'est tout les 60000km :bigthumbup:

 

+1 :bigthumbup:

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